rand paul would get his father's movement. i think he would be taken serious to affect the process. >> how is rand different from his father? how is his approach different from his father's, i guess? >> i think he's more of an authentic politician who has the ability to sort of make realistic choices based on his own self interests, where his father really i think at least in, you know, as he got up to the kind of senior citizen level, he's like, i don't need any of that, i will say what i think and let the chips fall where they may. >> that can be very refreshing. not typically the best path towards achieving a nomination or being a power broker in the party. >> that's how it stacks up against his father if you will, let's talk about the other nominees in the latest cnn-orc poll if you look from september until now, we put it up on the skren, he is right in the mix of it which all the other big names we talked about. how do you think he stacks up? >> i think he stacks up pretty seriously. of course, it's catnip for all of us